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7 Incredible Sets From Coachella 2024 Weekend 1: Doja Cat, No Doubt, Raye & More
With a weekend full of surprise guests, exciting reunions and breakout performances from first-time performers, this weekend in Indio was one for the books. Read on for seven of the top performances at the first weekend of Coachella 2024.
While every headliner at last year’s Coachella held some sort of historical cultural significance, Coachella 2024’s roster instead represented a series of graduations from opening slots and side stages to top-tier main stage titan status.
Friday featured Lana Del Rey, whose sole previous Coachella performance was at the Outdoor Theatre in 2014. Saturday was capped by Tyler, The Creator appearing for the third time in Indio (his last appearance as runner up to Haim and Beyoncé on the main stage in 2018). And on Sunday, Doja Cat occupied the uppermost spot after her penultimate main stage appearance in 2022.
Yet Coachella Weekend 1 this year’s attendees got astronomically more bang for their buck than they counted on, due to a surprise-guest-heavy lineup. The bulk of those special moments came from A-list talent, from Billie Eilish with Lana Del Rey to Olivia Rodrigo with No Doubt, Justin Bieber joining Tems, Kesha with Reneé Rapp, most of the Fugees performing alongside YG Marley, Will Smith performing "Men in Black" with J Balvin … the list goes on.
When all was said and done, the diversity, quality and impact of the weekend’s performances were tremendous. Even without elite bonus appearances, there were plenty of performances — quite a few of them newcomers, recent buzzbands and imminent breakthroughs — that made this year’s Coachella more than worthy of an early accolade for one of the first-rate fests of 2024. Read on for seven of the best sets from Coachella 2024.
Faye Webster Thrills Loyal Fans With Supreme Confidence
Underneath the shaded canopy of the Mojave Tent, Faye Webster held her sprawling audience in the palm of her hand during her Coachella debut on Friday. Deafening cheers rang out at the start of every song, which seemed to infuse the 26-year-old singer/songwriter with a level of energy unparalleled up to this point in her career.
Webster deftly worked her way through 11 tracks, each one received with wild cheers from fans, who sang with such gusto that they often nearly overpowered her own vocals. The crossroads of her confidence and creativity fully manifested during closing tune "Kingston," which saw her pausing to let the audience belt out the remainder of the line, a beckoning gesture that exuded self-assuredness.
Notably, three of six new songs ("Wanna Quit All the Time," "He Loves Me Yeah!" and "Lego Ring") from her recently released fifth album Underdressed at the Symphony were live debuts. The fact that Webster saved them for Coachella showed a clear intention to ensure the set was extra special. Beyond any shadow of doubt, she succeeded.
Lana Del Rey Taps Billie Eilish, Jon Batiste & Others For Standout Friday Set
With her notoriously downtempo demeanor, Lana Del Rey wasn’t the obvious choice for a Friday headlining spot on the main stage, but when all was said and done, her 20-song set delivered plenty to position her as a standout performer.
Dressed in an elegant baby blue gown, her entrance — a slow ride on the back of a motorbike through the lanes of the crowd all the way to the stage — worked wonders to build excitement. And her first three song choices, a shortened version of "Without You" (not performed since 2014) and two more gems from the vault — "West Coast" (debuted 10 years ago to the day at her first Coachella appearance) and her superb cover of Sublime’s "Doin’ Time" — signaled her intention to make this show a truly special occasion (neither of the latter two tunes have appeared on a setlist since 2019).
From there it was a parade of hits culled from her robust catalog, as the GRAMMY-nominated singer waltzed her way across the expanse of a fairytale palace stage production, at several points venturing up flights of stairs to a towering terrace. Four of her 10 albums feature production from Jack Antonoff (who played with Bleachers on Saturday), so it was unsurprising when he took the helm of the white grand piano toward the end for a strikingly serene duet with a hologram Lana on "Hope is a Dangerous Thing for a Woman Like Me to Have — But I Have It."
Jon Batiste (who performed his own set on Saturday) also assisted on piano for an alluring take on "Candy Necklace," but the pinnacle moment arrived during performances of "ocean eyes" and "Video Games" alongside surprise guest Billie Eilish. Sitting side by side atop a balcony, the two harmonized through much of those tracks, and the occasions when Lana sat back to let Billie sing several sections solo were absolutely arresting. The two superstars stared adoringly at each other throughout, clearly just as awe-inspired by the unprecedented collaboration as the audience, which erupted with rapturous applause that rivaled the decibels of the set’s glittering fireworks finale.
Raye Races Toward Superstardom During Emotional Debut
After just one song of Raye’s Saturday afternoon performance, there was no question that her Coachella debut would be remembered as one of the most striking in recent years. The British songwriter and chanteuse, who shattered the record for most wins and nominations in a single year at this year’s BRIT Awards, poured every ounce of her soul into her 45-minute set. The crowd inside the Mojave tent hung on every note and went absolutely berserk all the way from the sultry intro of "The Thrill is Gone" to gloriously anthemic closer "Escapism."
Backed by a powerhouse band of eight backup singers, three string players, four brass aces and the standard guitar, drums and bass, each song was a showstopper. Without question, the most impactful moment came on "Ice Cream Man," which deals with her own experience with sexual assault and rape.
"I want you to know it’s not an easy song to sing," she started. And before she could continue, the audience released a loud roar of support, to the point that the singer shed tears. When she composed herself, she continued, "But it’s important to be loud .. and to be brave. This allows me to be loud about something I’ve been quiet about my entire life. I am very f—ing strong."
That moment — which culminated into a big band-style belter that evoked the power of Amy Winehouse and Billie Holiday — likewise drew tears from many in the audience. Further, it defined Raye as an artist destined for superstardom on the merits of genuine talent, an infinitely infectious spirit, and incomparably hard work ethic. To that end, it should be no surprise she’s the songwriter behind tunes from GRAMMY-winning artists including Beyoncé, no big deal.
Sublime Revives Their Definitive Sound Alongside Jakob Nowell
Though many were referring to Sublime’s Saturday afternoon appearance on the Coachella main stage as a "reunion" in the days leading up to the festival, new frontman Jakob Nowell — son of the band’s deceased original singer Bradley Nowell — made it abundantly clear that wasn’t precisely the case.
"My name is Jakob Nowell and this is Sublime," he said following the conclusion of opening song "April 29, 1992," gesturing toward the beloved Southern California ska-punk band’s surviving members bassist Eric Wilson and drummer Bud Gaugh.
Read more: Sublime's Jakob Nowell On Leading His Father's Legendary Band & What To Expect At Coachella
His resistance to co-opt his dad’s legacy was admirable, which was an issue for some when Rome Ramirez joined Wilson and Gaugh in 2009 to form Sublime with Rome, a chapter that ended for those original members when Gaugh left the band in 2011 and Wilson subsequently exited in February. With all the pieces in place, the next hour played out as a fantastically fun alliance of old and new.
Jakob sounded strikingly like his dad during most moments, though he asserted his own spin on the classic sound by adding a hardcore-esque growl at various points in the set. Among the 14 songs, they revived early-era material that hadn’t been played live since the mid '90s, including "Date Rape," "Badfish" and "Doin’ Time." One cut, "Romeo," had not been performed live since 1988. The band likewise included tunes that Bradley never got to perform from the band’s final self-titled album, including some of their biggest commercial successes. Tracks such as "What I Got" and "Santeria" were sung by thousands, a chorus oozing with celebratory mass catharsis.
By the end, there could be only one conclusion: the most definitive version of a revived Sublime has arrived and, should they choose to continue on, they’ll be received by fans with open arms.
No Doubt Snatches Headliner Status During Jubilant Reunion
Though the reunion of No Doubt was billed as the runner-up to Tyler, the Creator’s Saturday night finisher, it’s absolutely valid to argue that the beloved Southern California outfit — playing their first show since 2015 — was the evening’s true headliner. The eye-popping expanse and unerring enthusiasm of the audience (the largest of the weekend), combined with the group’s sheer joy and explosive energy, drove the feeling home.
Every member of the core group — bassist Tony Kanal, guitarist Tom Dumont, drummer Adrian Young and frontwoman Gwen Stefani — emanated pure exultation, wide grins plastered permanently on their faces. Stefani was especially fired up; after the band powered through five treasured tracks — including opener "Hella Good" (performed at the end of long catwalk), "Ex-Girlfriend," and "Different People" (featured for the first time since 2009) — the singer stopped to address the sea of screaming fans.
"Wow … you showed up to Coachella Saturday night 2024 to see No Doubt play together on this stage for the first time in nine years. Are you crazy?!" Stefani said. "If I could just somehow explain the amount of love [we feel] and how much I wanna slap the s— out of you guys tonight!"
The sentiment was meant endearingly, but every song did hit intensely. In particular, a rendition of "Bathwater" featuring special guest Olivia Rodrigo — as hyped as Stefani with her never-ending spinning and bouncing antics — left a lasting mark. For old school fans, the Return to Saturn single was a special treat, and with Rodrigo in the mix, it elicited equal exuberance from younger audience members.
For the finale of the 16-song setlist, the band fulfilled the promise of euphoric nostalgia with a hard-hitting trio of tracks off 1995 breakthrough third album Tragic Kingdom: "Just a Girl," "Don’t Speak" and "Spiderwebs." The timeless tunes incited a sudden surge of fans toward the stage, and one would’ve been hard pressed to spot anyone not participating in the jubilant singalongs. It was a moment of multi-generational unity and unbridled joy — unquestionably unforgettable, and hopefully just the precursor to a triumphant new era of No Doubt.
Olivia Dean Enters the Stateside Festival Scene With Humbling Authenticity
Watching the first few moments of British neo-soul singer Olivia Dean’s Sunday afternoon performance in the Gobi tent, you’d never know this was her first American festival appearance. And what an incredible debut, at one of the States’ most prestigious festivals with only one album under belt (2023’s Messy) to boot. The 25-year-old stunned with utmost finesse and confidence, working the stage like a long-established diva and immediately eliciting rapturous applause after each of the first two songs, "OK Love You Bye" and "Echo."
While it can sometimes be off-putting when an artist introduces every song with a tidbit explaining what it’s about, this method had the opposite effect for Dean. Her context made each moment feel intensely personal, and the audience reaction was overwhelming. One of many tunes with a distinctly Motown bop, "The Hardest Part," was prefaced with the remark that it "recently changed [her] life," and spoke to the process of overcoming grief. After the final note was sung, she received a deafening standing ovation, prompting her to endearingly cover her face in response. And there was so much power in her anecdote before "Carmen," a tribute to how her grandmother made everything possible for her.
"My granny came to London when she was 18 … had never been on a plane … left her life behind and had my mom, and my mom had me," she said, already being drowned out by cheers before the final remark: "This song is for my granny and anyone brave enough to move and any immigrant in the crowd right now."
As she wrapped up her short set with the bewitching single "Dive," the sun broke through the clouds, illuminating her with the loveliest natural spotlight to complement a performer who already naturally, effortlessly shines on her own.
Doja Cat Exudes Total Command & Flawless Flow For Sunday Finale
It cannot be overstated: Doja Cat’s fest-closing performance on the main stage was a visionary masterpiece, and the strongest headlining set of the first weekend. That wasn’t certain from the stripped-down beginning moments when the GRAMMY-winning singer/rapper appeared on a circular b-stage mid-audience, dressed in a hazmat suit and encircled by a black and yellow biohazard pattern.
But excitement built steadily as she bombastically delivered opening song "ACKNOWLEDGE ME," which, even in an abbreviated format, lived up to its title and created a palpable air of anticipation. From there, she strutted back toward the main stage via a connected catwalk, meeting briefly in the middle with South African quintet the Joy (set to release their self-titled debut album on June 21) offering up fiery raps amidst the group’s arresting a cappella.
Shortly after, Doja appeared on the main stage dressed in a knee-length platinum blonde weave, flanked by an army of dancers who all wore matching getups covered in the same synthetic hair. The effect when they all converged, their movements completely in sync, created an optical illusion of one enormous hairy creature moving across the stage to punctuate the ferocity of "Demons."
That was just the first taste of a breathtaking series of visual sequences over the course of the 70-minute show, each profoundly enhanced by cinematography that created the effect of watching a top-quality music video on the main stage’s massive screens. If you witnessed the camera work during Beyoncé’s Homecoming show back in 2018 or Rosalía’s production in 2023, you’ll understand the aesthetic.
Other key moments when the video work was utterly astonishing arrived during the live debut of "OKLOSER" (one of five first-time song features) where the previously smooth camera went rogue, shakily weaving through the gang of dancers to create the effect of maneuvering through a chaotic house party; again during "Attention" as the lens wove through dancers in fur coats wielding Cruella de Vil-inspired cabrioles until it settled on Doja at the end of the line; and finally during closing track, "Wet Vagina," where Doja and her dancers rolled and writhed (in perfect choreographed unison) on the b-stage filled with brown mud, the sequel ending in a stunning birds-eye shot.
Backtracking a few moments earlier, maybe the most jaw-dropping production element came on "WYM Freestyle" in the form of a giant T-Rex skeleton following Doja down the catwalk while flames erupted from the stage behind her. The precise reason for that wasn’t evident, but it certainly boosted the ferocity of her raw rap delivery.
The unending visual feast only served to amplify Doja’s already flawless flow. She never missed a vocal mark, whether singing or rapping. She didn’t even once pause to banter with the audience, creating the effect of total focus and command. Big bonuses: 21 Savage materializing mid-set to serve up "n.h.i.e.," Teezo Touchdown’s cameo on "MASC" and A$AP Rocky (who likewise performed with Tyler, the Creator on Saturday) swooping in for "URRRGE!!!!!!!!!!" before Doja dazzled with super-hit "Paint the Town Red."
When all was said and done, Doja Cat more-than-earned her graduation to festival headliner, and while she’s already set for an arena tour this year, she’s clearly destined to stun at stadiums not far in the future.
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How Gwen Stefani's New Album 'Bouquet' Celebrates A Career Built On Love In All Its Forms
As the pop veteran releases her first album in seven years, look back on the journey of romance, heartbreak and self-acceptance that led to her blooming marriage to Blake Shelton — and her happiest album yet.
Long before it became a viral TikTok trend, Gwen Stefani's pouty declaration of "I'm just a girl" on No Doubt's 1995 breakthrough single was simply an honest affirmation. She wailed about the frustrating tug of war between empowerment and vulnerability that came with womanhood — and she's been wearing her heart on her sleeve just the same ever since.
The three-time GRAMMY winner first made herself known as the quirky frontwoman of No Doubt, taking the reins of the male-dominated rock world before venturing into solo pop stardom and building her own brand along the way. But no matter her level of stardom, Stefani has never shied away from displaying her private life.
Love and music are a pairing just as tight-knit as Stefani's signature platinum locks and crimson lips. She has sung about the ebbs and flows of romance since the beginning of her career, from the pained realization of a relationship's end on "Don't Speak" (from No Doubt's 1995 album, Tragic Kingdom), to yearning for a "simple kind of life" on the band's 2000 LP, Return To Saturn, to navigating a divorce on her 2016 solo album, This Is What the Truth Feels Like. Her latest set, though, is blooming with a healthy love.
Bouquet, Stefani's fifth solo album and first in seven years, is heavily centered around her past, present and future with husband Blake Shelton. While the country star seems like the complete opposite match for a ska princess — who met Shelton while both were coaches on NBC's "The Voice" in 2014, and they've been married since 2021 — Stefani attributes the positive shift in her music to meeting him.
"For me, what happened in the breakup of my family, I had to try to pick up the pieces. Out of that was new love. Not only new love, but real love," Stefani tells GRAMMY.com on how her confidence blossomed over the years. "I don't feel like I ever experienced that until I felt what it really felt like to be loved. When someone loves you in a pure way, it does make you feel like you can see inside of yourself what they're seeing for the first time.
"Love is hard to explain, but there's something spiritual about it. I feel like we're all constantly blooming and re-blooming," she continues. "We are growing and evolving, and out of pain, usually you find things inside of yourself that you didn't know you had. Being able to have an outlet like songwriting to be able to learn from yourself is an incredible blessing that I have been given."
"We can watch our garden grow," Stefani croons on album cut "Reminders." While the line refers to Shelton, it's a fitting sentiment for the year she's had. Bouquet arrives just three days after the 20th anniversary of her GRAMMY-nominated debut solo album, Love.Angel.Music.Baby, and seven months after the singer reunited with No Doubt at Coachella — their first performance together in nine years.
As "Reminders" displays, Stefani blissfully sings about finally finding peace and hope on Bouquet. Though it's her most upbeat celebration of love to date, it's also a culmination of the journey she's endured navigating it in all its forms — from very public breakups, to motherhood, to spirituality and finally finding true love.
Stefani's career began as the lead vocalist of No Doubt in 1986. Following a breakup with band member Tony Kanal, she used the band's breakout third album — 1995's Tragic Kingdom — as her personal diary. The singer co-wrote all but one song, and the rawness of the lyrics shot Tragic Kingdom to No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart. Stefani continued to weave in her love life in the music, from wanting to be a wife on 2000's Return of Saturn and struggling with a long-distance relationship on 2001's Rock Steady.
Her growing confidence as the band's co-writer led to her solo debut album, 2004's Love. Angel. Music. Baby. The album was a complete departure from No Doubt, as Stefani experimented with glossy '80s electro-pop, new wave, hip-hop, R&B, and even spoken word. While the first three singles presented more of her confident, commanding frontwoman side — including the Billboard Hot 100-topping smash "Hollaback Girl" — and the album featured themes of money and partying at the club, love remained at the forefront.
"Born to blossom, bloom to perish/ Your moment will run out 'cause of your sex chromosome," she reminds herself about wanting to be a mom on lead single "What You Waiting For?" On "Cool", she accepts her friendship with No Doubt's Kanal after healing from their breakup. Album cuts "The Real Thing" and "Serious" best show off Stefani's romantic side; the latter served as a love letter to her then-husband, Bush frontman Gavin Rossdale, and "Serious" declared in the first verse, "Call the doctor cause I am sick in love/ And I can't help it."
"There was so much freedom in my own heart and soul," Stefani says of her early solo days. "I had such a clear direction and I felt like I couldn't be stopped. The ideas and clarity on the art that I was creating was so easy to access. There was something so pure about this."
L.A.M.B. achieved massive success, debuting at No. 7 on the Billboard 200 chart and earning six GRAMMY nominations, including one for Album Of The Year. The album's success is attributed to not only Stefani stepping out of her sonic comfort zone, but her maintaining the same authenticity she brought to No Doubt's music.
"People know when something is authentic and something is not trying to do anything but just be – maybe that's why [it resonated]," she says. "It was simply going to be my fun, dance, guilty pleasure album and me trying to recreate things that inspired me from high school. I feel super grateful to reach anyone with the music that I've created."
By the time she delivered 2006's The Sweet Escape, Stefani had experienced big life changes, Along with becoming a first-time mom, she was dealing with marital issues, which she alludes to throughout the album — and, ultimately, led to a more melancholy feel than its predecessor.
On the title track, she envisions a fantasy to avoid real-life problems ("I can see that you're angry by the way that you treat me/ Hopefully you don't leave me, wanna take you with me"), and tries to hold on to her relationship on the "4 In The Morning" ("All I wanted was to know I'm safe/ Don't wanna lose the love I've found"). While the album may not express a happy love, it uncovered a deeper side of her vulnerability.
Within the decade after The Sweet Escape, Stefani took some time away from music as she focused on motherhood (she had another son in 2008). She reunited with No Doubt on 2012's Push and Shove, their first album in 11 years, which refueled Stefani to work on her third solo album. But it would still be four years until a full album materialized, as 2014 marked both the birth of her third son and her first season on "The Voice." A year later, Stefani endured a major life change: divorcing Rossdale, after discovering his alleged infidelity.
The heartbreaking revelation led to 2016's This Is What the Truth Feels Like. The super-confessional album revealed Stefani's healing process following her divorce (the tearful "Used To Love You" and the scornful "Red Flag"), but it was balanced by her new love with Shelton after meeting on "The Voice." From the bubbly "Make Me Like You" ("Thank god that I found you," she sings) to the yearning on "Misery" ("I'm thinking things I never thought before/ Like what your love would taste like/ Give me more," she pleads) to the flirtatious "Send Me A Picture," Stefani was shamelessly reveling in newfound happiness.
"I look back at each album that I've been part of and think about how they came about and what the inspiration was; and what I was going through at the time," Stefani says. "This Is What The Truth Feels Like was a unique album because this was the worst time of my life and the only thing I could turn to was God, prayer, my family, and music. It was the only way I knew how to save myself. I started writing that record so I wouldn't go crazy.
"I made the album quickly, in about eight weeks. About halfway through writing it I had this gift of love that was right there. I didn't know it was going to be there and I got to write about that," she continues. "It was an expression of two things happening at one time — something ending and something bringing me back to life. I wasn't thinking too much about the production on this album, it was more me trying to get out lyrically what I needed to get out."
Following This Is What the Truth Feels Like, Stefani's aura felt lighter and more self-assured as she reclaimed her confidence as both an artist and a woman.
This shift was mainly attributed to her adoration for Shelton, which thus inspired her music after that. He was featured on the title track of Stefani's bubbly holiday set, 2017's You Make It Feel Like Christmas, and they released two country duets in 2020, "Nobody But You" and "Happy Anywhere." Though the singles were Stefani's first foray into the genre, her chemistry with Shelton resonated: both went to No. 1 on Billboard's Country Airplay chart.
Stefani also dabbled in ska again with 2020's "Let Me Reintroduce Myself" and 2023's "True Babe," but even she admits that wasn't the right direction ("I was circling the past and I kept going around these cul-de-sacs," she says). So she stuck to her instincts: recording blissful tunes that emulated her life.
The winding roads of Stefani's career — and love life — have now led to 2024's Bouquet, which she deems a "whole different energy." But while the cover features Stefani rocking a cowboy hat and the album was recorded in Nashville with famed country producer Scott Hendricks, it's far from a country album. Rather, the 10-track project is a wistful blend of '70s-inspired pop and yacht rock that reflects the joy Stefani feels.
"I got engaged and married, so writing this album was writing about this new part of my life. When I finished doing the songs, I felt uncomfortable about the production — not because I didn't love it, because I did, but it just felt like I was repeating myself," she says. "It felt like when you go back into the closet and find something old from high school and try to put it on and think it's going to look good and it's just not working anymore. I didn't want to try to compete with the past at all.
"In my mind, it was clear — I needed to go in and make the record have no genre and make the sound creative with live musicians and make it feel live," she adds. "The combination of the pop songwriting and the organic live band is what created the sound of Bouquet, [which] sounds unique from anything else I've done."
The album documents Stefani's eight-year transition following the weighty This Is What The Truth Feels Like. Lead single "Somebody Else's," also the album's opening track, summates the healing she's done in order to unlock this new life chapter. "Everyday with you is rock bottom/ Leavin' you saved me, my God/ Look at me blossom/ You're somebody else's problem," she says with a wink on the chorus.
From there, Stefani leaves that past behind as she gushes about being so deep in love and not wanting to mess it up. The ballad "Swallow My Tears" discusses how an old relationship can impact a new one. "The past keeps chasin' me around/ I thought I lost it but then it found me/ Like it always does/ Dragging me back to who I was," she reflects. "Give me a second I need to swallow my tears."
The ballad is one of the singer's most honest songs to date. As a result, she says recording it felt like an emotional release: "I've been learning through my spiritual faith journey that it's about growing, learning, evolving, getting better and trying to become the person that you're meant to be in the world."
Part of Stefani's journey is rooted in reassurance, which ties "Purple Irises," her breezy country-pop duet with Shelton, together. One of the first songs written for the record, it adds another chapter to her fairytale life with Shelton. "I got you, and you got me/ And do you still think I'm pretty? And are you happy?" Stefani ponders even after years deep into her marriage.
She uses flowers as a metaphor for their relationship throughout the entire album, with the most autobiographical moment being the title track. "We met when my heart was broken/ Thank God that yours was too/ So lucky that you were going through what I was going through," she reflects on the opening verse. (Shelton was also going through a very public divorce from Miranda Lambert as their relationship started to, well, blossom.)
Stefani continues to bare her soul, confront her insecurities on "Pretty" ("I never felt pretty 'til you loved me/ I always felt pretty unlucky") and showcasing her appreciation for finally finding a healthy relationship on "Empty Vase." "Why did it take so much time?/ You've always been the one I've been trying to find/ I know you'll raise my sons right," she tearfully sings atop tender acoustic strings. And for No Doubt fans nostalgic for Stefani's pre-mainstream punk days, Bouquet's rocking "Late To Bloom" shows the singer hasn't forgotten her roots.
The singer's artistry is kaleidoscopic, from being a ska princess to pop's Hollaback Girl to a chart-topping country duet partner. But Bouquet is a reminder of what has always made her music so enduring, and what still resonates after three-plus decades: her vulnerability.
"I think we all go through points in our life when we question, 'What is my purpose?' When I found out I could write songs, and those songs had the impact they had, it was clear this might be my gift," Stefani explains. "I get so much joy and satisfaction. I feel like I have something to offer to the world when I'm writing songs.
"It's the most incredible thing to have a song that captures a moment in my life that talks back to you, heals you, and you learn from it," she adds. "The hope is that someone else can get that same blessing from the song. The struggle is worth it."
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On This Day In Music: The First Coachella Festival Took Place In The California Desert
It's been 25 years since the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival made its debut in the Southern California desert with headliners Beck, Tool and Rage Against the Machine.
Twenty-five years ago, the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival made its debut in the Southern California desert, forever changing the music festival landscape.
Held on Oct. 9 and 10, 1999, at the Empire Polo Club in Indio, California — where it still takes place today — the first Coachella was an ambitious and risky venture, blending genres and spotlighting artists beyond the mainstream circuit. The festival’s eclectic lineup included headliners Beck, Tool and Rage Against the Machine, with supporting acts including the Chemical Brothers, Morrissey, A Perfect Circle, Jurassic 5, and Underworld — creating a unique mix of rock, electronic and alternative music.
The festival’s founder, Paul Tollett, initially built his reputation by passing out flyers for Goldenvoice in the late '80s, ultimately crafting a festival concept that emphasized not just music, but immersive art installations and a genre-diverse lineup. Inspired by Lollapalooza and similar festivals, Coachella distinguished itself by appealing to fans of multiple genres and creating an entrancing, utopian experience in the desert.
The timing, however, was challenging. Following the infamous Woodstock '99 just two months earlier, skepticism was high, especially regarding the potential for profit in a sprawling, multi-stage format. Despite intense heat, the event attracted a dedicated crowd, though Tollett reported a significant financial loss of $850,000.
Reflecting on those early struggles in a recent interview with al.com, Rage Against the Machine's Tom Morello said, "the festival lost so much money they asked us for our fee back, which we gave them because they were friends."
After skipping 2000, Coachella returned in 2001 as a single-day event and has since grown into a global phenomenon taking place on two consecutive three-day weekends, drawing hundreds of thousands annually.
Today, Coachella’s massive, genre-spanning lineups, avant-garde art, and trendsetting influence have cemented its place in music and the broader cultural landscape. It remains a festival that celebrates diversity, showcases rising talents alongside established icons, and redefines what a music festival can mean.
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Jack Antonoff's "Grand Desire": Why Working With Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter & Bleachers Is His Dream Creative Playground
Jack Antonoff has a simple wish: to "write and produce things and play live." The GRAMMY-winning producer is living his dream, and discusses his roster of all-star collabs, creating studio vibes, and the importance of looking back.
"I think collaboration boils down to the core belief that something can work," Jack Antonoff recently told GRAMMY.com. "When I make an album with someone, I'm filled with faith that much more in my life or the universe can work, which is definitely a reason why I do this."
The 11-time GRAMMY-winning singer, songwriter and producer has worked with many of the biggest modern pop stars — from Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey and Lorde, to St. Vincent and Sabrina Carpenter — but his core focus has never changed. Antonoff simply wants to make music he loves with people he loves, and perform it live.
Antonoff not only holds many peoples' dream job of being Swift's go-to collaborator, but he's been having a banner year filled with notable creative projects and big wins. At the 2024 GRAMMYs, he won Producer of the Year, Non-Classical for the third year in a row. He also earned two more GRAMMYs that night, sharing Best Pop Vocal Album and Album Of The Year with Swift for his extensive production work, co-writing and instrumentation on Midnights. In March, he released his fourth album as Bleachers and launched a lengthy world tour with the band, which will wrap with their biggest-ever (sold-out) gig at Madison Square Garden on Oct. 4.
His 2024 production credits include Swift's The Tortured Poets Department, four of breakout star Carpenter's Short n' Sweet tracks including No. 1 hit "Please Please Please," and even one of Kendrick Lamar's Drake diss tracks, "6:16 in LA." He also curated and produced the soundtrack for Apple TV's WWII couture period drama "The New Look," featuring modern renditions of classics by Lana Del Rey, Florence Welch, Nick Cave and others. He was also tapped by Tony-winning director Sam Gold to create the soundtrack for a modern reimagining of "Romeo and Juliet," debuting on Broadway later this month.
Before Antonoff became one of the most in-demand producers in pop, he spent his time in bands. As a high school senior in 2002, he formed indie rock outfit Steel Train with several classmates, who'd have a decade-long run playing big festivals including Bonnaroo, SXSW, Warped Tour and Lollapalooza. Afterwards, he played guitar in the power pop trio fun. with whom he earned his first six GRAMMY nods and won his first two in 2013, for Best New Artist and Song of the Year for their anthemic hit "We Are Young" featuring Janelle Monáe.
2013 was a pivotal year for the "Tiny Moves" artist, as it also marked his first time he worked with Swift, who then enlisted him to support her transition away from country music on Album Of The Year winner 1989. Antonoff has said that she was the first artist to trust him as a producer, and that their work together, understandably, opened many other doors for him.
GRAMMY.com recently caught up with the prolific producer and artist for a dive deep into his collaborative magic, the latest Bleachers album, and why he thinks pop is whatever you want it to be.
This interview has been edited and condensed.
There's a lot to talk about just from this year, it's pretty crazy.
When the Bleachers album came out and I was starting to do interviews, I had this really weird experience. Interviews recap things that have happened, so [they make me] realize how little I think about the past. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
I think it's a symptom of how much my life is future-focused — which is something I really like and fear about my life at the same time. The studio is such a forward place. You're thinking about the next thing, how to find this next feeling in literal and esoteric ways. [Being on] the road is one of the most literally forward places — every day you're somewhere new and you're thinking about the next day and the tour.
I feel like I'm trapped in the future. It's nice and I've designed it that way. But sometimes I get a little scattered or emotional when I talk about things that have happened because I'm thinking about them for the first time. I don't have canned answers.
You're often called a super-producer, which is valid; you've worked with so many big artists and on so much music that everyone hears. But what are you desiring as an artist and a producer lately?
The grand desire that I have has never changed, because it's so much bigger than any amount of success. That desire is to write and produce things and play live. That's a big part of why I love this work so much is because nothing can really help you with that besides your soul. You could be in the most expensive studio in the world with all the best engineers, but there's no proof that [that setting] equals a better song than just sitting in your room.
That fleeting feeling of knowing that it comes and it goes, and you just have to be there to grab it, is such a deep connected-to-the-cosmos feeling.
When you're working on music, at what point do you get excited about a song or know that it's going in the right direction?
When it does happen is when I start to push it forward in a real way. There's an amazing amount of f—king around in search of that feeling, and you never know where you're going to get it. It's sometimes just moving around instruments or lyrics or thoughts with no direction until one thing feels exciting, and then you follow that thing.
It's a really fun process, and it can be anxiety-producing. It's a different kind of fun when you do it with someone else, because you're on this weird adventure together. When you're in a room with other people and everyone has that feeling off of one idea or one sound, it's a very connecting feeling.
When you're working on your own music, particularly with Bleachers, it's mostly just you in the studio, right?
Yes. But the Bleachers process is oddly similar [to my producing], just sort of flipped. I work with producers on Bleachers because I need it sometimes. I've always had these two sides of writing my music and having my own band and needing help with that in various ways. I've learned so much on either side.
Being on the road with Bleachers, remarkably, keeps me connected to everything that matters the most when I'm making records with other artists because I can very easily visualize real fans, the people who live and die by this music. To be acquainted with them every night is a very powerful experience. It always just reminds me who I'm in conversation with, because I think it's easier than ever to get lost.
You've had a busy summer on the road with the Bleachers. How has it felt performing this album live?
It's really my favorite ever. It's the first album I've made with Bleachers that feels like a response to this thing that happens at the shows. Somewhere during the Take the Sadness Out of Saturday Night [tour in 2021], the shows got really crazy and loose and kind of off the wall. There was something about it where I was kinda like, Okay, you want to play chicken? [Laughs.] I went into the studio and I tried to one up them. I never felt that before. This time I was talking right at [my fans], which is a luxury of being known by them.**
The first song we ever released was "I Wanna Get Better," which is almost a Wikipedia page of my life, it rattles through everything I'm going to be talking about [forever]. It feels like now I can wax on about something, and they know what I'm talking about.
Is that why you decided to self-title this album?
The actual decision to self-title is a gut feeling. But the real reason is it felt like an earned moment, like we had arrived somewhere where everything had completely formed.
Every reference point [while] making this album became about our own history and our own mythology. In the past, I would have said, Make it like a Mick Fleetwood or Ringo kind of feel. Now the reference point would be Play it like you do at this point in the set when the wheels have blown out for you. You tour and spend enough time with people where it becomes almost like conversations with your best friends, the reference points become your own shared history.
What called you back into the studio to make your own music?
I never know. My life is a lot less structured than people would think. The way I make Bleachers records — and even in everything I make with other people — there's a real looseness to it because I like to be [in the studio] when I feel incredibly excited to be there. I schedule things, just not terribly far out.
For example, Lana and I or Taylor and I have never once been like, "Let's book out a month here." It's sort of like, "What are you doing today? I got this idea, come over." And then if that's feeling good, it's like, "What are you doing tomorrow? Let's keep this going." It's very [much] catching it when it's happening. Some days I'm in the studio for an hour, some days for 16 hours; it's all based on how I feel.
Are you always working on music or ideas — is there always something that's coming out of you?
Lately — the past couple years — I've been feeling the need to create a lot. I feel connected to something, and I feel a lot of joy and that good buzzy anxiety of having these ideas and wanting to hear them, which reminds me of my earliest memories of writing and producing music. When you hear the thing in reality — you can press play on a thing that was a thought — it's the most incredible experience.
"Alma Mater" is such a poetic way to refer to an ex. How did that track come together? Did you have Lana del Rey in mind for it?
No, we were just f—ing around. I think a lot about where you put people [when listening to a song]. On that song, I wanted to put you in a room with me and her, so I left a lot of the elements of us being in the room writing it, messing around. We kept singing back and forth like, "She's my alma mater, f— Balenciaga." [Chuckles.] The lyrics were just making us smile.
As it started to come together, this idea of referring to an old relationship as an alma mater, that excited me and made me want to write that story. That's kind of what an old relationship is: a school that you go to where there's a whole set of friends, and a whole culture, and when it's over, poof, it's gone.
Obviously, you worked with Sabrina Carpenter on some of her new music…
How brilliant is she?
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She's around the same age Taylor Swift was when you started working with her. Do you see any parallels with Sabrina where Taylor was at then? Sabrina has said it was a really big deal to get to work with you. What was it like working with her?
It was a big deal for me to get to work with her. The great parallel is brilliant writing and being able to write about one's life in the most vulnerable and powerful way. It sounds so simple, but it's the rarest thing to be able to write about your life and to be able to make it so specific and also so poetic. You know it as soon as you hear it.
Can you talk a little bit about the sonic landscape on "Please Please Please"?
We were thinking a lot about joy and the kind of fantastical nature of ABBA, Dolly [Parton] and ELO that I felt would fit her voice and lyrics so well. She [does] this quick vacillation between really cheeky then really emotional, back to really sarcastic, and then she smacks you over the head with something so serious and real that you're stunned. It's my favorite kind of music.
One of the reasons it's so thrilling to me that so many people have responded to it is because it doesn't sound like anything that's going on at all, it almost sounds like the opposite of everything going on. Those are my favorite moments; when something out of left field grabs everyone's attention.
Those bubbly sounds right when "Please Please Please" comes in are not in time. You have a LinnDrum ['80s drum machine] and a live drum playing this tight beat and these country-picking acoustic guitars. Then you have these wobbling synths that, in my head, I'm playing the same way someone would play it when it was first invented because you're just playing along to the track, you're not locking it to any MIDI or anything. I was thinking a lot about that time period — I think about [it] all the time — when I was with Sabrina.
How has your creative partnership with Taylor Swift and your trust in each other evolved in the decade-plus you've been working together? And what has been the coolest thing for you to see in your ongoing work?
As far as evolution, we just have our own language. I saw her play last night [at Wembley Stadium in London], and actually played some songs there too. Most of the time when we work it's just her and I in a room, usually my apartment or Electric Lady [Studios]. To see [the songs] in literally the biggest spaces and retain all of [their] importance and soul and feeling like it's that for every single person in that crowd, it's like the absolute coolest.
She's the absolute greatest of all time, with a never-ending hunger to push forward.
You and Taylor both have such an affinity for witty, nerdy, literary references, and poetic phrasing. How do you pull that out in a way that makes sense in a pop song structure?
I think that tendency is just inherent in both of us. But I think the concept of pop structure is whatever the hell we want it to be. The worst of pop music is ambulance-chasing. The real inspiration is to be your own loud light-up machine shooting down the street. The things I've loved about pop music have just invigorated me to believe that pop music is whatever the hell the person making it says it is, and then everyone else gets to argue if it is or isn't.
I don't sit around and think about genre, placement, or who they're going to satisfy. All those thoughts are not just the death of making things. It's pretty easy for me to only consider that gut feeling. I'm just fascinated by how people hear things. There's no genre of music that I think is better or worse than any other one.
What can you tell us about the upcoming Romeo + Juliet Broadway show you soundtracked? Was it a different creative exercise for you to score such a well-known text; how so?
It was a very different process which is exactly why I wanted to do it. Credit to [director] Sam Gold who really let me fly out to left field and back. I'm about 50 percent through it and I'm going to finish it when I'm home from this tour. It's been something that has opened my world in many ways, to a whole new side of scoring and writing for a musical.
You have a lot of GRAMMYs, 11 of them —
People always ask me if it gets normal. No, it doesn't get normal! It's crazy.
One, where do you keep them?
That's one thing I've never really figured out, they kind of move around. Everything in my life moves around a lot, so I don't have a satisfying answer for that one.
And going back to 2013 when you won your first GRAMMYs with fun., how did you feel that day?
F—ing shocked. As I was saying, I don't really sit around thinking about the past because it's the opposite of the job. What's so shocking about those moments is you're surrounded by family and the people you love and work with, and it's this huge moment to think about how you got to that point.
My biggest takeaway of these experiences that force you to stop and think about the road behind is just how heavy they are. All of us are held up by really special people, whether it's partners or parents or siblings, fans, engineers, managers, loved ones. If you have amazing people around you, it's the best feeling in the world. That's my favorite part about any award, it feels like it's for everyone that got you there.
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How Ravyn Lenae Found Comfort In Changing Perspective
"I really wanted to give people a glimpse into my life," Lenae says of her new album, 'Bird’s Eye.' The singer/songwriter discusses taking the right risks, and the song that helped repair her relationship with her father.
With massive crowds and countless critics raving about her debut album, Ravyn Lenae knew what she had to do: completely ignore all of the expectations that led to it.
"I knew in order for me to keep evolving as an artist and a person, there was no choice but to let those boundaries go,"she says from her home in Los Angeles.
After building up a growing following in Chicago alongside other members of the Zero Fatigue Collective (which includes producer Monte Booker and rapper Smino), Lenae relocated to the West Coast. She made a massive mark on 2022’s Hypnos, which featured a beguiling mix of alt R&B, house and soul alongside Renae’s magnetic vocal presence.
And rather than coast, Lenae dug deeper for the followup, Bird’s Eye (due Aug. 9). Working with frequent Kendrick Lamar collaborator and in-demand producer DJ Dahi, Bird’s Eye flutters across genres and influences — pulling from Fleetwood Mac on one track, drawing in Childish Gambino on another, and adding Jimmy Jam’s bass elsewhere. Indicative of these multifarious influences are two pre-release singles: the retro pop-leaning "Love Me Not" and the soulfully skipping "Love Is Blind."
Lenae uses that shapeshifting methodology as a way to interrogate the concepts of love and relationships — never content to rest on her laurels, learning how best to grow and adapt. "Making the songs and getting to the bottom of what they meant for me was me kind of retracing my steps a little bit and really acknowledging all these moments in my life, in my childhood, that were pivotal for me and my identity," she says.
Nearing the release of Bird’s Eye, Lenae spoke with GRAMMY.com about directing the video for "Love Me Not" in Chicago, blending Brazilian music with Prince inflections, and how the album helped her reconnect with her father.
A lot seems to have happened in the two years since 'Hypnos.' On a month-to-month, day-to-day basis, how much do you shift creatively?
It feels like night and day to me, even though it's been a really short amount of time. During this time between Hypnos and this album — the recording and creating process — a lot unlocked with me. [There was] a lot of personal growth that happened that allows me to approach music in a much freer and kind of impulsive way.
With the last album and that process, I think I did place a lot of parameters around what I had to be, what I had to sound like, what it had to feel like, who I had to connect with. And I kind of just released all of those expectations with this and made music that I wanted to hear.
How easy was it to actually release those boundaries and work more more in the moment?
I knew in order for me to keep evolving as an artist and a person, there was no choice but to let those boundaries go, if I wanted to keep pursuing music in a way that felt honest. And then being able to collaborate with people such as Dahi, who has kind of mastered that in a lot of ways, and learning from him and seeing his process, seeing how easy and natural it is to just fall into what feels right…
I think the longer you're in an industry or you're in something, the more rules you place on [creativity] and the more you overthink it and try to mold it in a way that doesn't feel impactful. As an artist, being around him and him encouraging that type of process, I think that was a lot of it, too.
Dahi's worked with some incredible artists, and clearly in a way that accentuates that artist rather than making it about DJ Dahi. That must have been so perfectly aligned with your openness, to go in and let yourself learn what you wanted to do. They always say if you know too much and plan everything out, you’ll end up stifled creatively.
It's so true. And that's why I describe it as me kind of returning back to that 12-year-old me, that 13-year-old me, before I cared about opinions, what people thought about me and what I was doing, what I was wearing. I think we start off that way, and then the older we get, the more we get so self-conscious and we judge ourselves more harshly than everyone else.
Why do we do that?!
[Laughs.] I think it's just human nature. And then we try to unlearn all of it.
Even just in daily life, it's so hard to not think about what I could have done at any given moment. And when you’re creating music, there are 5 million ways you can create the same idea and you have to just land on that one.
A hundred percent. During this process, we would have a song idea and then three different versions of that song that hit completely different feelings — maybe a more soft rock version of it, maybe a more indie version of it, maybe a more soulful version. Then it was about having to settle into what is "the one" and what feels the best, versus like what's going to chart or what's going to get in the club. Having to release all of that and just really lean into what feels good is what works every time.
That relates even to how the album was announced, with two tracks that almost speak in conversation with one another. Those songs balance such clever hooks with more nuanced conversation about how conflicted and complex love and relationships can be. How did you find that balance between emotional realism and such immediate music?
It was just really feeling empowered and confident in my decision making. And that's something that's developed over time, too. Really listening to my voice and what I want out of music in my career and my rollout, you know?
Listening to that, obviously having people around me who are like-minded in that way like my management and my team. We all kind of empowered each other to lean into those feelings. At no point in this process did anything feel forced or like I was reaching for something.
That’s so interesting. You want your team to feel supportive but you also want to feel empowered to take risks away from that support. And that reminds me of “Love Me Not,” which has some really smart risks. It's that vintage pop feeling, right down to the clap-along beats, and the vocals feel right in your ear. So when you started working on that track, for example, did you always imagine it being that nostalgia, that warmth?
I thought that there was just something so cool and timeless, a classic feeling about it. And my songs are the ones where you can really pinpoint what the influences are, or when this was made, or the person behind it. Having a song like that, that really reminded me of Outkast. Like, What is this?
Even before it dropped, I remember having some anxiety around maybe my fans not liking it because it feels a little different from Hypnos. I think anytime you kind of jump outside of the bubble you've kind of created, it's scary because there are people living in that bubble with you who like the temperature in there.
It’s so important to be constantly revitalized in your work. If you’re doing the same thing, even if your fans are demanding it, you’re not going to get that. And hopefully when your fans see all that you can do, they’ll follow it.
Yeah. And there's so much left in me to explore into and put out into the world. And look at an artist's career, someone like Tyler, the Creator: Seeing where his sound started and how he's almost trained his fans’ ears to be receptive to something new every time. They've completely grown up with him in a lot of ways and expanded their palate. Kind of forcing the hand of listeners is something that's really interesting to me. [Laughs.]
I love that idea of pushing yourself and pushing your fans, but still within the realm of what's good. [Laughs] Not just experimenting for the sake of it. Speaking of growing and experimenting, I wanted to ask about the “Love Me Not” music video that you directed. It feels so well shot but still so intimate and casual.
I knew with the album and how I wanted the imagery to feel, it would be very homey. Making the songs and getting to the bottom of what they meant for me was me kind of retracing my steps a little bit and really acknowledging all these moments in my life, in my childhood, that were pivotal for me and my identity, those first moments where I felt like I was getting closer to myself in a way.
A lot of that started on the South side of Chicago, at my grandmother's house, in the basement. Even the cover of the album symbolizes that transition for me. That's where I dyed my hair red for the first time in the basement, in the sink, so coming back to the sink and dyeing my hair ginger on the cover was something that felt so powerful and defining for me. It just made perfect sense that we were going to go back to Chicago for the first video, in my grandmother's house, with all my family members involved. Those are my grandparents, my mom, my sisters, so that's why it feels so loose and candid. I really wanted to give people a glimpse into my life and what it felt like walking into my childhood home.
Getting to see a place through someone else’s eyes is so extraordinary. It really makes the little details pop. For example, the plantains cooking on the stove at the beginning.
Yeah. I associate plantains with my grandparents, my family. We’re of Panamanian West Indian descent, so those smells and those sounds, I really wanted to incorporate into the video.
That really speaks to bringing some comfort along with the risk-taking, same as having your family around. The features do a great job of bolstering you, setting up that stability, particularly Ty Dolla $ign on "Dreamgirl."
I think we just had the idea to kind of take the song into a different world in a way. When we first started the first section of the song, I just knew there was magic there. Those Prince drums and that Brazilian guitar — why do those make sense together? It shouldn't ever make sense together. But when I heard it? Oh my god, this feels like something fresh and new, but also like I've felt this feeling before.
Dahi's brain is just incredible, and then even bringing in Jimmy Jam on it to do bass was a dream come true. I knew it kind of felt like it existed in that Janet stratosphere, and I thought it would be such a cool touch for him to do that personally. Dream come true on all spectrums. I love Ty Dolla $ign, obviously grew up listening to him. He's incredible and I was so honored that he wanted to do it.
Besides Janet, were there any particular artists who were kind of central inspirations for this album specifically?
Sonically, Janet is always in the mix. With this one in particular, some Gwen Stefani, No Doubt, a little bit of Fleetwood Mac in there. I just love taking these worlds that are very different from each other and kind of mashing them and seeing what happens. It's like my favorite thing ever.
You’re trained in classical music, and it's so clear that you understand the range of emotion that you can convey. I'm just curious what happened when you went into recording — or even before that, in the writing. What was it like digging into yourself to find the narrative that matched the mashing?
Honestly, I don't think there was much premeditation with the writing and what I wanted to touch on in a way. Really leaning into those impulsive initial first feelings that a song gives me is something I really valued with this album. And moving forward, that'll be my process.
What was premeditated with the writing process with this album was, with every song, trying to really peel back those layers in my brain and those barriers lyrically. Like, What would I naturally say? Think of that and then think, Okay, how can I make this even more literal, even more personal? Even in working with my girl [songwriter] Sarah Aarons, I learned a lot from her as far as songwriting and how to really paint a picture that feels clear and concise and emotional. Not trying to find the prettiest words or the most interesting words, but really writing what feels real. And that's something that I've really, really valued and learned with this process.
Even with “One Wish” with Childish Gambino, the whole album feels like this big conversation on relationships. Being more direct feels like some advice someone would get with a relationship itself, let alone writing about it. Did that process help you actually process what was happening in your life too?
Oh man, 100 percent. And that's why music is so beautiful to me. It's really a means of opening dialogue between me and myself, and then me and the people in my life. With a song that's so important to me like “One Wish," it’s not just because it's a great song, but because this has really catapulted me into this different part of my life and repairing relationships, opening up difficult conversations — like with my father in particular. Hearing such a simple song and the response I've gotten from it has only validated me much more in the fact that these real stories, real emotions are what connects.
Have you played the album for your father?
We started repairing or rekindling our relationship maybe two years ago. The making of Bird’s Eye was at its peak and I felt like it was important for me to have a song on the album that addressed my relationship with him in order for me to release it and start to move on in a positive way.
So sharing the song with him, inviting him to be in the music video was huge for us. And then even after debriefing about maybe some feelings that came up when he heard certain lyrics or when he saw certain scenes in the video, it just opened up this really honest, candid dialogue between us and I couldn't be more grateful that I have this outlet.